The hit CBS television show, Ghosts, has officially been renewed for an additional two seasons, giving fans more time with their favorite Woodstone Mansion haunting apparitions. The sitcom is an adaptation of the UK series and follows Sam and Jay, a married couple who turn their mansion into a bed and breakfast. Upon moving in, Sam develops the ability to see and interact with the ghosts stuck in Woodstone Purgatory following their deaths on the grounds.

Ghosts season 4 has provided deep moments for characters such as Trevor Lefkowitz, the pantless stockbroker who died in 2000. The latest batch of episodes sees even more depth brought to Asher Grodman's character, allowing the audience to understand more about Trevor, as well as the other ghosts trying to finish their business before finally crossing over.

ScreenRant interviews Critics Choice Award-nominated actor Asher Grodman about the renewal news, Trevor's current storyline, and Patience's potential return in Ghosts season 4.

Grodman Is Elated About Ghosts' Two-Season Renewal On CBS

"There was some jumping in the air, there was some screaming, that stuff."

ScreenRant: I wanted to say congratulations on the double renewal. It's a huge co-sign from CBS for both you and the entire cast. How did it feel to hear that news?

Asher Grodman: God, how did it feel? I mean, I felt elation. We wrapped a week ago, and I went away to Iceland with a buddy of mine. I got a call while I was there from one of our showrunners, Joe Wiseman. There was some jumping in the air, there was some screaming, that stuff. It's very rare.

I feel like I say this a lot, but at the crux of it, this is true, where the odds of making anything in this business is low and the odds of making something that people like and then that you get to keep doing. We will have, after this, made six seasons of this thing, which is wild. We're doing it with people that I love, the cast. We're very close to the point that it's maybe unhealthy. Our crew is amazing. We have this incredible Montreal-based crew.

The fact that we know what we're going to be doing for the next two years and knowing what you're going to be doing for two years in this business never happens. The fact that it's happening, and it's happening with people that we all really love and respect, we're very, very lucky. And thank you to CBS and Lion's Gate and Paramount and everyone for having faith in us.

Season 4 has been fantastic, and we're probably just about at the halfway mark, as well. What have been some of your favorite moments so far?

Asher Grodman: Some are coming up, so I can't reveal those. It was a lot. Our show is, at its core, a comedy about death, which is hard to explain to people sometimes. But what it does for us, storytelling-wise, is it lets us take really just one step to the left, and we can hit really universal and deep topics.

There was an episode earlier this season, this is just from a Trevor point of view, of Trevor realizing a legacy that he left behind around his work, and I think it was Episode 4. Shooting that, and Katie Locke O'Brien, who's a brilliant director, was working with us on that. That was a lot of fun, and just being able to really play with how deep these stories can go.

I'm a big dog person, so Trevor getting to explore the relationship with his dog was fun. Then I think one that recently popped up was—I love, and I know she does, too, we have a lot of fun—Rebecca Wisocky and I crafting the Trevor-Hetty, let's call it a 'slow burn,' and finding those little nuances in that, so then the last couple of episodes, we got the chance to dig into that history and develop that storyline. That was a lot of fun.

Grodman Theorizes About The Key To Crossing Over In Ghosts

"We certainly have an idea that there must be something about being a good person."

You mentioned Episode 4, which is "The Work Retreat." It's one of my favorite episodes of the season so far. It's gotten some pretty rave reviews regarding its storytelling, and as you mentioned, it's really in-depth. What's the most important thing you wanted people to take away from that episode from Trevor's point of view?

Asher Grodman: Let me just start from a storytelling standpoint. We are, these ghosts, so severely limited, and they're essentially on the sidelines of life. I think there's something about when you can't control something, it usually leads us all to desperately try to control everything. I think there was something really nice about that episode, playing with Trevor's desperation to try to have some connection and an ability to leave a mark on the world. I think we all want that and need that.

I don't think we're here trying to teach any lessons or trying to make any grand statements, but I think there's something about watching someone go on that journey of really trying to make a mark and then coming to with—God, this is such a deep thing with mortality—know that there are limitations. Finding, I guess, a solace. Finding a joy.

The thing that he was trying to do, the thing that he was trying to create was not this Sisyphecian thing, but something else that he did, which he probably didn't value very much in his life, really left an impact. The way we treat each other, I think it leaves a little bit more of a memory and a mark in the world behind rather than the things that we achieve.

Well, it's true. Like you said, it's that small segment that feels, not like an insignificant moment in Trevor's life, but it's that moment where this small thing becomes his legacy. I think for me, that's what I took away from it. The granularity, sometimes, is what matters the most, and I think people don't always see that.

Asher Grodman: Yeah, I think that's a really good takeaway. At the end of the day, we are a comedy. So he's always going to have this lesson and then snap back like a rubber band into the core of what makes him who he is. But in the midst of that snap, I think there are these little moments where we can, and I reading the script and being like, "Wow, we can really tell this story and go full Tom Sawyer at his funeral with this."

Closure also, like you'd mentioned before about [Episode 6, "The Primary Source"], deals directly with part of his unfinished business, which I know can be part of why you're all still here. Do you think that part of that unfinished business being finished there is going to get Trevor closer to being sucked off? I'm sure he would appreciate that, but I had to ask.

Asher Grodman: He would appreciate that you used his phrasing. Something that is inherent to the making of this show is that we really don't know what we're doing week to week. Sometimes we'll get hints from our showrunners, Joe Port and Joe Wiseman, who have done a great job crafting this thing. But by and large, we're as blind as you guys. We really have the experience of we don't know why we're here and what is getting us closer or further.

We certainly have an idea that there must be something about being a good person. We have this sense that there is an up and there is a down. We have a sense of unfinished business. What are the things, these epiphany moments that have led to someone getting sucked off? But the fun of this is that we don't know.

I think there's a lot of humor that we've mined and stuff that I hope we continue to mine about trying all of these crazy things, to figure out "What does this universe boss thing, God, whatever it is, what do you want from us?" So yes, it's very possible that the dog thing is a step in the right direction. But I think in the day-to-day fun of it, it does what I think is really a superpower of our show, which is moving the story forward by going back in time.

Grodman Warns Viewers To Be Wary Of Patience's Eventual Return

"I think you should be as worried as you could possibly be."

You'd mentioned in an interview recently about the double possession, which happened on the Christmas episode, the two-parter ["A Very Arondekar Christmas"]. It was as wild as expected, but it was cool to finally get to see Jay interact with the ghosts. How fun was it to see T-Money finally interact with Jay in that way?

Asher Grodman: Well, first of all, Utkarsh [Ambudkar] stopped complaining that he couldn't see us, so that was nice. No, I'm kidding. That relationship between Jay and Trevor, I find a very interesting one because it has been, at times, combative and competitive, and they both have this like...I don't know if 'alpha' is the right word, but there's this competitive thing between them.

When there are moments...honestly, I think that part of that set up, a lot of the stuff around "The Work Retreat" makes the small interactions that they have in that episode what they are, because "The Work Retreat" is the first time he's really directly asked Jay for something, and Jay went on that journey with him. But I feel like, while there's been this tension in the past, and especially around Bela and everything, the work retreat was a turning point.

You're going to see that Trevor and Jay relationship develop over the course of the season. We play with that a little bit more. But yeah, that was so fun. Because we're a half-an-hour comedy, it's like a 20-minute show, finding the nuance in exactly what should all of these eight different little interactions with these ghosts be. I enjoyed the nuance we found with the Trevor-Jay thing.

A new character was introduced this season—Patience.

Asher Grodman: She's great. Mary Holland, amazing.

She was amazing. She did an amazing job portraying that character.

Asher Grodman: I was very jealous that Trevor didn't get more interaction with the Puritan.

That was going to be my question! What can we expect? Because I know Patience said she's going back into the dirt with the others, which was very foreboding. How worried should we be about her coming back, and what can we expect if she returns?

Asher Grodman: I think you should be as worried as you could possibly be. It's one of the fun things about the show when we lean into this universe thing that we don't know. I love when we have mysteries like that. Yeah, there's going to be more. At some point, we'll get some more Patience and find out the answer of what that is.

I don't know exactly when, but it's set up such a wonderful thing with, not only do we not know what's above, we don't know what is in Hell, but we also don't even know what's a few feet underneath our feet. It's fun to have, I think, the power of Patience is not that dissimilar from the power of someone like Elias or something like that. She is a force that can bring us all together to solve a common goal.

Episode 3, the Halloween episode this season, I loved that because it's all hands on deck to try to take care of Sam, even though it was all spun into a tizzy over our own making. Characters like that are so much fun to play with. And yes, it would be a lot of fun to see the juxtaposition of a pantless Jew and a Puritan and how she would handle that. That's certainly a fun little collision.

Trevor And Hetty's Relationship Will Go In Unexpected Directions

"Rebecca and I are really committed to enriching that storyline."

Hetty and Trevor are now the 'Power Friends,' but it still feels like there are a lot of things stirring underneath the surface. You call it a slow burn. How much more can we expect from these two as far as the scheming and the wheeling and dealing before the inevitable happens?

Asher Grodman: I don't even know if the inevitable is inevitable. Really, we could go in any direction here. But I will say that I think it's something that, on some level, we're all these little children who are trapped to the house, and Sam and Jay are mom and dad. We're all experimenting and figuring out how to deal with each other.

I think the Trevor-Hetty thing is very unique because they are so similar, and yet the things that they are different about, they're very different. There's a lot of fun. I'll say this. Rebecca and I are really committed to enriching that storyline and finding stuff, and it seems like our writers are interested in it, too.

I think that this thing is going to take on different shapes and go in different directions that are unexpected, and it's just going to get deeper and deeper and more nuanced. They are characters who are very interested in power dynamics and hierarchy and scheming, as you put it. I would imagine, I would be willing to bet that you're going to be seeing some more of that.

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About Ghosts Season 4 On CBS

Created By Joe Port And Joe Wiseman

Ghosts is a single-camera comedy about Samantha and Jay, a cheerful freelance journalist and up-and-coming chef from the city, respectively, who threw both caution and money to the wind when they decided to convert Woodstone Mansion, which Sam inherited, into a bed & breakfast – only to find it was inhabited by the many spirits of deceased residents who now call it home.

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Ghosts season 4 airs Thursdays at 8:30 p.m. ET on CBS and is available to stream next-day on Paramount+.